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"Biblical Jesus"
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"Historical Jesus"
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| Historical Evidence |
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Despite common assumptions
there is absolutely no historical evidence for the existence of Jesus Christ. Greek and Roman sources had absolutely nothing to say about Jesus Christ. He is never discussed challenged, attacked, slandered, or talked about in any way in any surviving source of the period. No birth records, accounts of his trial and death, reflections on his significance, or disputes about his teachings. In fact his name or likeliness does not appear even once in any historical contemporary Greek or Roman writings or artwork and we have a lot of Greek and Roman sources from the period including religious scholars, historians, philosophers, poets and natural scientists. We have thousands of private letters and we have inscriptions placed on buildings in public places but in no first-century Greek or Roman source is Jesus mentioned. |
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| False & Dishonest Claims |
If you are convinced that there is still historical evidence of Jesus Christ then you have probably read or heard of alleged "evidence" that is widely spread in books by well known Christian Apologists. At face value the cases they bring up do look like actual historical evidence but if you move on past the books' agenda and do your own research you will quickly realize the "evidence" presented is nothing more than false or dishonest claims. Below we will expose the full story on the most common false claims for Jesus Christ's existence.
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Twisting the Text
The following are real documents that do mention Jesus Christ... but that is all Christian apologists want you to know.
Here is what they "forgot" to mention..
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Lucian
In "The Passing of Peregrinus" by Lucian of Samosat there is a passage describing Jesus Christ which Josh McDowell claims is evidence for a historical Jesus but in reality the passage is describing the belief of Christians, not a historical figure or events. Lucian was also not a historian, he wrote fiction and satire and is credited as one of the earliest science fiction writers. "The Passing of Peregrinus" is a satire in which the lead character, Peregrinus Proteus, takes advantage of the generosity of Christians. Lucian also wrote parodies of tales told by Homer in the Odyssey along with stories of space travel and interplanetary warfare.
Also... • Lucian was not even born until 125 CE so this cannot be an eye witness account. |
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Tacitus
In Annals XV.44. the Roman historian Cornelius Tacitus writes about Nero prosecuting the Christians in order to draw attention away from himself for Rome's devastating fire of 64 CE. Christian Apologists very commonly cite the following line as historical evidence for Jesus, "Christus, the founder of the name, was put to death by Pontius Pilate, procurator of Judea in the reign of Tiberius..."
However, if you actually read the entire passage Tacitus is simply giving a quick description of where Christians got their name and is not making a historical reference. Even more importantly Tacitus goes right on to say that what he just said about Christus (Jesus Christ) is a "pernicious superstition." Also... • The passage is set during 56 CE, over twenty years after Jesus' supposed death. • Tacitus was not even born until 56 CE so this cannot be an eye witness account. • Annals XV.44 was written in 115 CE, FAR too late to be a contemporary account or to serve as historical evidence. |
Suetonius
In Chapter 25 of a biography titled "The Life of Claudius" by Gaius Suetonius Tranquillus there is one line that mentions the name/title "Chrestus." It reads, "Since the Jews constantly made disturbances at the instigation of Chrestus, he [Claudius] expelled them from Rome."
There is absolutely no reason to suggest this line has any specific reference to Jesus Christ. Even if you substitute "Christus" for "Chrestus," Christus is merely the Greek-Latin translation of "anointed" which is a title that to could even be used to refer to a number of people or a group of people. Just as a reference to a "king" would not validate the legend of King Author, reference to a title that looks like Christus by no means validates the story of Jesus Christ. Also... • The passage is set during 50 CE, twenty years after Jesus' supposed death. • Suetonius was not even born until 41 CE so this cannot be an eye witness account. • "The Life of Claudius" was written in 115 CE, FAR too late to be a contemporary account or to serve as historical evidence. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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The Talmud
The Talmud is a massive compilation of rabbinic customs and traditions that is divided into two parts, the Mishna and the Gemara. The Mishna was not written until 200 CE and the Gemara was not written until 500 CE making both of them extremely invalid sources of historical evidence when it comes to the supposed events of Jesus Christ.
Also... • There can be no denying that the authors of the Talmud did not believe in Jesus' messiahship or his divinity. • There is also NO specific reference to Jesus Christ anywhere in the Talmud. For a full rebuttal of every dishonest claim made by Josh McDowell on the Talmud please visit http://www.angelfire.com/mt/talmud/jesusnarr.html |
Pliny the Younger
In writings by Gaius Plinius Caecilius Secundus (Pliny the Younger) while corresponding with the emperor Trajan, Pliny mentions and describes the beliefs and practices of Christians in Asia Minor while asking Trajan for advice about what action to take against them. Pliny's writings provide no historical confirmation of the events in the New Testament, he is simply say that these are what the Christians believe. All these writings prove is that there were indeed Christians living in Asia Minor, which no one disagrees with.
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Flavius Josephus
Flavius Josephus is a well known historian who lived close to the time Jesus Christ is said to have lived and also in the same area. In his works titled "Antiquities of the Jews" Jesus Christ is mentioned two times, the first is in a section known as the Testimonium Flavianum that speaks of Jesus, his disciples and his crucifixion at the hands of Pilate (miracles are not mentioned in the original texts). The second briefly mentions Jesus while talking about his brother James. Christian apologists continuously use these writings by Josephus because they do appear to be the strongest evidence supporting a historical Jesus Christ, well that is if you don't do any research on Josephus or his works. Once you take the time to double check things you soon realize there are major problems making Josephus' writings 100% invalid as historical evidence.
Not an eyewitness or contemporary account
Antiquities of the Jews is not an eye witness account nor written during the supposed life time of Jesus, it was not written until the year 94. Josephus was also not even born until the year 37, seven years after the supposed life of Jesus Christ.
Not a historical reference
A great deal of the Antiquities of the Jews are not documents about historical events but rather documents about the Jewish communities' stories believes. The sections referring to Jesus are only talking about the beliefs of a Jewish sub group that were well known by the year 94. Antiquities also talks about non historical stories like the tower of Babel and Adam & Eve along with most other popular stories from Hebrew Scriptures.
Josephus never believed in Jesus Christ
Finally, Josephus died in the year 100 as an orthodox Jew and never believed in the existence of a lord and savior named Jesus Christ. We know this from an autobiography about his life and personal beliefs. Even if you ignore the two previously mentioned points the works of Josephus could only be used to support the insignificant "Historical" Jesus and not Jesus Christ aka "Biblical Jesus."
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Dishonest Tactics & Forgeries
The following are items that fall into two categories. On is well known forgeries that apologists continue to preach as valid evidence. When a forgery or dishonest claim has been made publicly known to a group apologists simply try to find a new group who are not aware yet of their falsehoods and preach it as valid evidence to them. The second category is not evidence at all but rather dishonest tactics to avoid questioning such as falsely claiming we don't have historical evidence for anyone in history in an attempt to avoid the questioning about the lack of evidence for Jesus Christ.
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We can't know if anyone existed that long ago?
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He Was Influential - People Died For Him
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What About the Bible & the Gospels?
There are several reasons why the Bible could not serve as historical evidence for the existence of Jesus Christ. The most obvious problem is that all the scriptures contained within the Bible were written after, in some cases well after, the supposed life time of Jesus. Thus none of the biblical scriptures serve as a contemporary account and can not be taken as historical evidence.
Also... • The gospels are not eyewitness accounts. All the gospels were written anonymously and the names Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were simply applied to the otherwise unknown authors by later readers. Based on guesses and wishful thinking later readers associated each gospel with Matthew the disciple who was a tax collector, John the "Beloved Disciple" mentioned in the fourth gospel, Mark the secretary of the disciple Peter and Luke the traveling companion of Paul. Not only do none of the actual writers claim to be eyewitnesses but Matthew is written completely in third person (e.g. Matthew 9:9). The author of John even claims in 21:24 that he is not the beloved disciple John but just a person who got some of his information from the supposed disciple. In reality the gospels were written 36-65 years after Jesus' supposed death by people who did not know him, did not see anything he did, did not hear anything he taught and who spoke a different language and lived in a different country. • The gospels are not independent sources and are not free from collaboration. Mark was used as a source for Matthew and Luke who both plagiarized (largely word-for-word) the gospel of Mark. • The gospels are also loose credit since they disagree with one another when it comes to the story of Jesus. Matthew and Luke even place Jesus' birth during two separate historical events that occurred over 10 years apart. |
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Shroud of Turin
The Shroud of Turin is a forgery. After independent analysis by the University of Arizona, Oxford and Swiss Federal Institute of Technology all results date the shroud to be from between 1260 and 1390 CE. Besides, even if it was from the wrappings of a dead body during the 1st century this would still not be evidence that Jesus Christ existed. It would only be evidence that a person died during the 1st century.
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Letters of Abgarus and Jesus
The "Letters of Abgarus and Jesus" are said to be a pair of letters that were allegedly written to Jesus from the Kingdom of Osroene ruler Abgar V of Edessa (13-50 CE) and back to Abgar V as a reply from Jesus. Historians however do not not take these letters as authentic but rather a forgery. There is no known copy or mentioning of the letters dating to Jesus' supposed life time or even to a time prior of the gospel writings. The letter forged as Jesus mirrors passages from later versions of the gospels, for example the passage in the letter in which "Jesus" says that he cannot visit Edessa and heal Abgar because he has to finish his mission but promises to send someone after his ascension mirrors John 16. This passage was not even taken from the original gospels, however. It more closely resembles the equivalent passage from the Diatessaron which was written sometime between 150-160 CE which would place the actual date of these letters to be sometime after that.
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| Historical Clues |
All historical evidence, and the lack of, offer us no information about Jesus except that Jesus Christ did not exist and that his stories were inspired by a regular human named Jesus that false messiah would have been very insignificant historically speaking. So where else can we look for information? There are still some clues found in our knowledge of history along with in both Christian and pagan texts.
Paul's writings in the Bible, which are older than the Gospels and the oldest texts mentioning Jesus Christ. Although Paul claims Jesus was born of human flesh he also claims that no one outside of the divinely selected few knew about the gospel of Jesus Christ (that he was the son of god, a savior and died for our sins) until Paul himself personally shared it with the world. This lines up perfectly with the historical record since there is no historic knowledge of Jesus until Paul's teachings. He also never met Jesus himself which is why Paul never mentions a single quote from Jesus and states all of his knowledge of Jesus is strictly revealed to him through scriptures alone (with inspired guidance by Yahweh) and not from another man. Paul invented Jesus Christ.
Quick notes: 1.) The story of Paul's vision of Jesus on the road to Damascus in Acts is not by Paul. 2.) Paul never persecuted Jesus or the followers of Jesus. Paul only persecuted the rapidly spreading belief of a Jewish messiah being revealed. He was not persecuting the belief in the specific messiah Jesus Christ as no one was even mentioning such a savior.
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Clues For "Historical" Jesus
Without any historical evidence suggesting the existence of Jesus why do most historians think there was a "Historical Jesus." The clues historians speak of for the concept of a "Historical Jesus" come from the gospels themselves. For example, Micah 5:2 claims the messiah would be from Bethlehem yet some of the gospels hint at Jesus being from Nazareth. Why not only mention Jesus being from Bethlehem? This puzzle makes sense if the story of Jesus Christ was partially influenced in the gospels by a different and human figure who was actually from Nazareth, and not Bethlehem. The end result is what we would expect to see if the two stories merged.
A bigger set of clues is in the story of the crucifixion. Death by crucifixion normally takes several days yet the gospels say Jesus was only on the crucifix for 6 hours before dying (3 hours according to Luke). In John 19:29-30 a visitor put a sponge covered in vinegar up to Jesus' mouth, after which he immediately dies. At the tomb Joseph of Arimathea brought healing herbs, not embalming herbs. It appears this story is about a regular person, who may have been believed to be the messiah, who only appeared to die because the sponge probably contained a liquid to subdue him and the herbs revived him which explains the empty tomb. It is also important to note that the word translated to "resurrection" is more accurately translated to " resuscitation." This story makes more sense if it is an embellished legend based the events of an actual regular human. (read more) | ||
Clues Against "Biblical" Jesus
1. A Plagiarized Savior
A great deal of Jesus' life according to scriptures is just a plagiarized version of earlier mythological savior gods and the earliest Christian apologists were well aware of this. In a Chapter 21 of a letter addressed to the Roman Emperor Antoninus Pius known as the First Apology (circa 150-155 CE) Justin Martyr stated, "And when we say also that the Word, who is the first-birth of God, was produced without sexual union, and that He, Jesus Christ, our Teacher, was crucified and died, and rose again, and ascended into heaven, we propound nothing different from what you believe regarding those whom you esteem sons of Jupiter."
If Jesus Christ, as told by scriptues, was an actual historical figure and not just a myth like every other savior god then why is it that his life's story reflects a mirrored image of all the others? These stories that make up Jesus' life were all well known in the exact same region that the story of Jesus sprouted. These earlier savior gods were also firmly believed in and had religious followings of their own. |
2. Many Versions of Jesus Christ
If Jesus Christ was entirely on a real person who recently lived instead of being a collection of myths and legends then why did the earliest Christians and scribes all believe in various versions of Jesus Christ? The Marcionites thought Jesus was a god who came to defeat the god of Moses and Abraham. The Ebionites thought Jesus was not a god but a human that was later adopted by God. The Gospel of Peter tells us that Jesus was not human at all but 100% a god. The group of Christians known as the Paulines later thought Jesus was human and a god. The concept of the Trinity was not established until late in the fourth century. Even within the scriptures that were voted into the Bible there are still a great deal of disagreeance about Jesus. Some are small but others are major like Matthew and Luke disagreeing on the year of Jesus' birth by a margin of at least 10 years. Why was there so much confusion and disagreeance if Jesus Christ recently existed?
3. We know who created Jesus Christ
Although aspects of Jesus Christ's life, particularly in the gospels, very well could have been influenced by legends related to an actual human figure the story of Jesus Christ did not originate from a historic figure. Paul the apostle, formally Saul of Tarsus, was the world's very first Christian. Prior to Paul and his vision (between 40 & 50 CE) no one knew of or heard of a savior named Jesus Christ. All mention and stories of Jesus Christ derived from Paul and later stories originated only in the areas around the Mediterranean Sea where Paul traveled preaching his story of Jesus Christ and no one wrote about Jesus until after Paul's stories were locally well known.
Paul's writings in the Bible, which are older than the Gospels and the oldest texts mentioning Jesus Christ. Although Paul claims Jesus was born of human flesh he also claims that no one outside of the divinely selected few knew about the gospel of Jesus Christ (that he was the son of god, a savior and died for our sins) until Paul himself personally shared it with the world. This lines up perfectly with the historical record since there is no historic knowledge of Jesus until Paul's teachings. He also never met Jesus himself which is why Paul never mentions a single quote from Jesus and states all of his knowledge of Jesus is strictly revealed to him through scriptures alone (with inspired guidance by Yahweh) and not from another man. Paul invented Jesus Christ.
Quick notes: 1.) The story of Paul's vision of Jesus on the road to Damascus in Acts is not by Paul. 2.) Paul never persecuted Jesus or the followers of Jesus. Paul only persecuted the rapidly spreading belief of a Jewish messiah being revealed. He was not persecuting the belief in the specific messiah Jesus Christ as no one was even mentioning such a savior.


Paul tells us...
Jesus was NOT crucified by humans.
Jesus Was Based On Scriptures,
Knowledge of Jesus
"was kept secret since the world began"
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"was not made known"
until Paul told the story.
Jesus' coming will be his first, not second.
Jesus' coming will be his first, not second.





De-God Your Money




In "The Passing of Peregrinus" by Lucian of Samosat there is a passage describing Jesus Christ which Josh McDowell claims is evidence for a historical Jesus but in reality the passage is describing the belief of Christians, not a historical figure or events. Lucian was also not a historian, he wrote fiction and satire and is credited as one of the earliest science fiction writers. "The Passing of Peregrinus"
In Annals XV.44. the Roman historian Cornelius Tacitus writes about Nero prosecuting the Christians in order to draw attention away from himself for Rome's devastating fire of 64 CE. Christian Apologists very commonly cite the following line as historical evidence for Jesus,
In Chapter 25 of a biography titled "The Life of Claudius" by Gaius Suetonius Tranquillus there is one line that mentions the name/title "Chrestus." It reads,
In writings by Gaius Plinius Caecilius Secundus (Pliny the Younger) while corresponding with the emperor Trajan, Pliny mentions and describes the beliefs and practices of Christians in Asia Minor while asking Trajan for advice about what action to take against them. Pliny's writings provide no historical confirmation of the events in the New Testament, he is simply say that these are what the Christians believe. All these writings prove is that there were indeed Christians living in Asia Minor, which no one disagrees with.
Flavius Josephus is a well known historian who lived close to the time Jesus Christ is said to have lived and also in the same area. In his works titled "Antiquities of the Jews" Jesus Christ is mentioned two times, the first is in a section known as the Testimonium Flavianum that speaks of Jesus, his disciples and his crucifixion at the hands of Pilate (miracles are not mentioned in the original texts). The second briefly mentions Jesus while talking about his brother James. Christian apologists continuously use these writings by Josephus because they do appear to be the strongest evidence supporting a historical Jesus Christ, well that is if you don't do any research on Josephus or his works. Once you take the time to double check things you soon realize there are major problems making Josephus' writings 100% invalid as historical evidence.
Some will say that since the stories of Jesus and the teachings in scripture were very influential then the stories must be true. That however is an absolutely ridiculous reason to believe in something. The stories of almost all mythological gods were influential, the Egyptians and Mayans built giant pyramids for their gods and based their entire life style around their beliefs about these gods. Is this evidence that these gods really existed? No. The influence of stories about Jesus give no more credibility to his existence than a fan-fair does for the existence of Harry Potter.
There are several reasons why the Bible could not serve as historical evidence for the existence of Jesus Christ. The most obvious problem is that all the scriptures contained within the Bible were written after, in some cases well after, the supposed life time of Jesus. Thus none of the biblical scriptures serve as a contemporary account and can not be taken as historical evidence.
The Shroud of Turin is a forgery. After independent analysis by the University of Arizona, Oxford and Swiss Federal Institute of Technology all results date the shroud to be from between 1260 and 1390 CE. Besides, even if it was from the wrappings of a dead body during the 1st century this would still not be evidence that Jesus Christ existed. It would only be evidence that a person died during the 1st century.
A great deal of Jesus' life according to scriptures is just a plagiarized version of earlier mythological savior gods and the earliest Christian apologists were well aware of this. In a Chapter 21 of a letter addressed to the Roman Emperor Antoninus Pius known as the First Apology (circa 150-155 CE) Justin Martyr stated, 


